Yesterday (or maybe the day before) ideogram was talking about evolution on FICS. Now I don't have any problem with the theory of evolution, as long as we understand and agree that evolution is nothing more than what we read at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-definition.html namely that evolution is just change. Accepting evolution doesn't mean that I think that I share a common ancestor with monkeys, for example. It merely means that I accept that the frequency of alleles can change from generation to generation and that, to date, no instance of the frequency of alleles staying the same has been found.
What I don't agree accept is called "Common Descent." I find no compelling reason to believe in common descent for the reasons already outlined on this blog: I do not accept empiricism as valid, I do not accept induction as valid, and therefore I do not accept science as valid except for some sympathy for Popper's point of view that science is useful in the sense that it can prove some theories to be wrong through falsification.
At that point ideogram linked me to http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ and demanded that I answer this post and, in an insulting way, accused me of lying and being lazy because I didn't immediately try to rebut it point by point. Really there is no need to do so, because as Dr. Theobald has already said in the article, "No alternate explanations compete scientifically with common descent...[because] many other explanations are untestable, though they may be trivially consistent with biological data." He's absolutely right in that regard. Whether you speculate that Allah, Brahma, God, or the Spaghetti Monster created the universe you are talking about a non-falsifiable theory that science is ill-equipped to deal with. That doesn't mean that the theory in question is wrong, it just means that it is outside of the domain of science.
I applaud Dr. Theobald's reference to Popper's ideas when he says that scientific theories must be testable and falsifiable. Few scientists today bother with the philosophy of science at all and the usual quote goes something like this: "Philosophy of science is as useful to scientists as ornithology is to birds," attributed to Richard Feynman. It is good to see that Dr. Theobald has at least considered the philosophical basis of his life's work.
Fundamentally, however, I disagree with Dr. Theobald's conclusion because finding 29 pieces of evidence for [Common Descent] does not support the theory of Common Descent at all, rather the findings are neutral to the theory, although they may be deleterious to competing scientific theories. The fundamental problem, as it always is with science, are the philosophical underpinings of the system. To wit, we have theory Common Descent (CD) and twenty-nine pieces of evidence (PoE). The logical system is, as outlined below:
If CD then PoE.
PoE
therefore CD.
This is a classic example of the logical fallacy known as "affirming the consequent." This may be very comforting to the scientist, and may even make him well paid and a recipient of federal grant money. However, at the end of the day, nothing has been proved. Nor do I think that 29 logical fallacies prove more than one would.
As far as I am aware there is but one single way to prove the theory of common descent. If one were able to prove that there was one, and only one, incidence of abiogenesis during the history of the Earth then the theory of common descent would be indisputable - fait accompli, as it were. Dr. Theobald does not, however, address abiogenesis in the link provided, rather he says that "[abiogenesis] is not considered in this discussion of macroevolution: abiogenesis is an independent hypothesis." I must say that in this instance I completely disagree with Dr. Theobald: Abiogenesis is at the very heart of the argument and the theory of common descent either stands or fails based on it. Proving, for example, that there had been multiple abiogenesis events in the history of the Earth would deal a death blow to the theory of common descent.
Perhaps one day scientists will create life in a laboratory or provide some compelling reason to believe that life did spontaneously self-create. Even showing that large numbers of nucleotides (the building blocks of DNA/RNA) can be created without living cells and be together in such a way that it might theoretically be possible for RNA to self-assemble would be a step in the right direction. I'm not holding my breath, however, as nucleotides are the largest molecules synthesized by our cells, and their creation requires many substrates, many steps, and huge amounts of energy.
The theory of common descent is empirically sufficient for the 29 pieces of evidence. It is not proof of common descent. It does not make common descent true. Science is fundamentally incapable of proving theories true. The most it can hope for is to disprove (falsify) bad theories. And that's why science is bs.
What I don't agree accept is called "Common Descent." I find no compelling reason to believe in common descent for the reasons already outlined on this blog: I do not accept empiricism as valid, I do not accept induction as valid, and therefore I do not accept science as valid except for some sympathy for Popper's point of view that science is useful in the sense that it can prove some theories to be wrong through falsification.
At that point ideogram linked me to http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ and demanded that I answer this post and, in an insulting way, accused me of lying and being lazy because I didn't immediately try to rebut it point by point. Really there is no need to do so, because as Dr. Theobald has already said in the article, "No alternate explanations compete scientifically with common descent...[because] many other explanations are untestable, though they may be trivially consistent with biological data." He's absolutely right in that regard. Whether you speculate that Allah, Brahma, God, or the Spaghetti Monster created the universe you are talking about a non-falsifiable theory that science is ill-equipped to deal with. That doesn't mean that the theory in question is wrong, it just means that it is outside of the domain of science.
I applaud Dr. Theobald's reference to Popper's ideas when he says that scientific theories must be testable and falsifiable. Few scientists today bother with the philosophy of science at all and the usual quote goes something like this: "Philosophy of science is as useful to scientists as ornithology is to birds," attributed to Richard Feynman. It is good to see that Dr. Theobald has at least considered the philosophical basis of his life's work.
Fundamentally, however, I disagree with Dr. Theobald's conclusion because finding 29 pieces of evidence for [Common Descent] does not support the theory of Common Descent at all, rather the findings are neutral to the theory, although they may be deleterious to competing scientific theories. The fundamental problem, as it always is with science, are the philosophical underpinings of the system. To wit, we have theory Common Descent (CD) and twenty-nine pieces of evidence (PoE). The logical system is, as outlined below:
If CD then PoE.
PoE
therefore CD.
This is a classic example of the logical fallacy known as "affirming the consequent." This may be very comforting to the scientist, and may even make him well paid and a recipient of federal grant money. However, at the end of the day, nothing has been proved. Nor do I think that 29 logical fallacies prove more than one would.
As far as I am aware there is but one single way to prove the theory of common descent. If one were able to prove that there was one, and only one, incidence of abiogenesis during the history of the Earth then the theory of common descent would be indisputable - fait accompli, as it were. Dr. Theobald does not, however, address abiogenesis in the link provided, rather he says that "[abiogenesis] is not considered in this discussion of macroevolution: abiogenesis is an independent hypothesis." I must say that in this instance I completely disagree with Dr. Theobald: Abiogenesis is at the very heart of the argument and the theory of common descent either stands or fails based on it. Proving, for example, that there had been multiple abiogenesis events in the history of the Earth would deal a death blow to the theory of common descent.
Perhaps one day scientists will create life in a laboratory or provide some compelling reason to believe that life did spontaneously self-create. Even showing that large numbers of nucleotides (the building blocks of DNA/RNA) can be created without living cells and be together in such a way that it might theoretically be possible for RNA to self-assemble would be a step in the right direction. I'm not holding my breath, however, as nucleotides are the largest molecules synthesized by our cells, and their creation requires many substrates, many steps, and huge amounts of energy.
The theory of common descent is empirically sufficient for the 29 pieces of evidence. It is not proof of common descent. It does not make common descent true. Science is fundamentally incapable of proving theories true. The most it can hope for is to disprove (falsify) bad theories. And that's why science is bs.